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Wednesday, June 8, 2016

The Sons of God and the Daughters of Men

Like many other Christians, I used to skim past Genesis 6:4

"There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."

But after reading the Book of Enoch and seeing the undeniable evidence of giants, giant-sized buildings, and advanced prediluvian technology, I was forced to reconsider the intermarriage of the angelic beings with humans.  Suddenly, I realized that Genesis 6:4  is one of the most FAITH BUILDING verses in the Bible.

Genesis 6:4 establishes, in the opening chapters of today's canon of Scripture, the PRECEPT of EXTRA-PHYSICAL FERTILIZATION.  Scientists and Bible scholars are beginning to realize the presence (and possible interaction with) hyper-dimensional beings.  This is precisely the interaction depicted in the account of the "sons of God."

Furthermore,  the acceptance of, and belief in, extra-physical fertilization is a prerequisite for faith in the VIRGIN BIRTH of Jesus Christ - THE Son of God.  But instead of being conceived by inferior angels, Jesus was the Son of the Most High, conceived by the Holy Spirit.

The sons of God are an ANTITYPE of Christ.  The Book of Jude, which quotes from the Book of Enoch, states; "And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day."

But Jesus left His domain in heaven in obedience to the WILL OF THE FATHER. "For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me." - John 17:8

Likewise, because He was sent by the Father, Jesus returned to His proper abode at the right hand of the Father in heaven.  "I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father." - John 16:28

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved." - John 3:16,17

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Wednesday, May 25, 2016

How Many Christians Believe in Pre-Trib?

The Pew Foundation reported in 2010 that there were roughly 2.2 billion Christians worldwide.  In 2016, Wikipedia calculates there are approximately 2.6 billion Christians - not counting the growing Chinese and Middle-Eastern churches, making 3 or 3 1/2 billion professing Christians a more realistic number.  There are roughly 650 million Christians who belong to Christian denominations teaching that the rapture will occur before the time of great tribulation.  These denominations are made up of primarily of cessational Baptists, charismatic Assemblies of God, and a number of smaller Jesus Movement churches.  Using the most conservative figure of 2 1/2 billion Christians worldwide, as many as 1/4 of today's Christians believe in a pre-tribulation rapture - or about 25%.

Does the Bible promise a Great Escape from the Great Tribulation? The majority of today's Christians; Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, and Reformed, expect the rapture at Christ's Second Coming. And 99% of the Christians who have lived over the past 2,000 years have believed in a post-tribulation rapture. Discover what the Bible clearly states in the original language. Learn how the Restoration Movement of the 19th century influenced the theology of the British Isles. See the Thessalonian prophecies through the eyes of St. Paul to uncover the mystery behind his eschatology. Find the key to Paul's end-time timeline based on the last enemy of Christ found in the fifteenth chapter of 1st Corinthians. Examine the verses and arguments used by pre-tribulation proponents in this no-stone-left-un-turned exposé. Includes four charts, Greek language study, and 20 illustrations.

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Friday, May 20, 2016

1st Thessalonians Four contradictions the Pre-Trib theory.

One of the first rules of Bible interpretations is "The Obvious Meaning is the Obvious Meaning".  That's why someone reading the Bible on their own can easily see that adultery, homosexuality, and other sexual perversions are all sins.  People have to be taught to see something else.
Since my childhood - when I have read 1st and 2nd Thessalonians, I have always assumed that both Epistles were talking about the same Day of the Lord, and the same Gathering.  And almost all Christians (up until the nineteenth century) have thought the same thing.  That's the obvious meaning when people read the Bible on their own.
Paul was a strong believer in order and orderliness.  So his end-times verses contain a number of conditional, "This" can't happen until "that," statements.
·         In 1st Thessalonians Four, Paul says the Lord's Coming can't happen until the resurrection of dead.
·         In 2nd Thessalonians Two, the Lord's Coming can't happen until the appearing of the Man of Sin and the Apostasy.
Anyone studying end-times prophecy is familiar with these conditional statements.
Now let's look at another conditional statement in 1st Corinthians Fifteen.  Here, Paul starts off with the resurrection of Jesus.  But then he transitions to the time of the end - and begins to discuss the general resurrection of the dead.  This is also the section of Scripture where Paul says "we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed" - obviously referring to the rapture.
Paul's conditional statement here in 1st Corinthians is actually a quote from Psalms 110.  Speaking of Jesus, Paul says "He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet."  And then Paul adds, "The last enemy that will be destroyed is death."  Jesus had personally already overcome death.  Paul associates the death which is this last enemy - with the general resurrection of the dead.
Peter also made a conditional statement concerning Jesus' return in Act Three Verse 21, where he says that "Jesus must remain in heaven until the time of restoration of all things."

Now let's go back to Thessalonians.  Watch what happens.
In 1st Thessalonians Four, since Jesus must sit at the Father's right hand until His last enemy - death - is subdued, He can't descend from heaven until the dead are raised.  Christ's coming or descending cannot precede the resurrection of "those who have fallen asleep."
In 2nd Thessalonians Two, Paul mentions two more enemies and these are straight out of Daniel Chapter 12.  Because neither one of these are the last enemy, these two problems must be resolved even before the resurrection of the dead.  You could say that these are the next-to-the-last enemies." So "that Day" and the Gathering cannot happen until the Man of Sin is revealed and the Falling away come first.
Paul had evidentially already explained this order of Christ's enemies during a previous visit.  Probably much the same as he had written about it to the Corinthians.  Paul expected that just reminding them of the conversation would put an end to the rumors that "that Day" had already come.
But the real death blow to the Pre-tribulation rapture theory is right there in 1st Thessalonians Chapter Four.  Jesus must remain in heaven until the time of restoration of ALL things.  Jesus is either seated in heaven, or He's descending from heaven.  First Thessalonians Four says He's "descending from heaven."  Jesus' coming and descending from heaven is a technical indicator - signaling that all of Jesus' enemies have been made His footstool. Paul would never write about Jesus coming and descending from heaven unless he was referring to the actual Second Coming of Christ.  And Jesus must remain in heaven until the restoration of all things, not until the beginning of the tribulation.
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It's not necessary to measure how far Jesus' feet came to touching the ground before He is met be the saints.  The fact that, in 1st Thessalonians Four, Jesus no longer remains seated in heaven is all we need to know.  The dead are raised and the restoration of all things has come. Jesus' descending accompanied by great fanfare and the resurrection of the death all point to a rapture during the Second Coming of Christ.  This is the obvious meaning.

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Sunday, May 15, 2016

Why Most Christians Believe in a Post Tribulation Rapture - Interview

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Tuesday, May 10, 2016

Imminent Second Coming Defeated by Pre-Tribbers' Own Assumptions

Zionism and the Pre-Trib Rapture

Excerpt from "Why Most Christians Believe in a Post-Tribulation Rapture"
[Although pre-tribulation proponents find fault with post-tribbers because they insist that the tribulation must occur before Christ's return, the Jewish presence (or control) of Jerusalem was also a logical prerequisite within the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine. 

These pre-trib doctrinal assumptions being:

1.      The end-time events contained in Revelation occur after the rapture, and,

2.      The end-time events described in Revelation occur within a seven-year time span, and,

3.      The Antichrist will enter the Temple 3 1/2 years after the rapture.

Ø      Therefore, the Jews must have either taken control of the Temple Mount or be so close to gaining control of Jerusalem that the rapture might commence at any moment.

According to this typical pre-tribulation interpretation of Revelation, the rapture was not imminent between the years 70 AD and 1800 AD.  The rapture could not have happened during that time because the Jews did not control the land of Israel.  Thus, a Temple could not have been built during that time.  Furthermore, the procurement of the Temple real estate, planning, and construction of the Temple, are still unlikely to be accomplished within a 3 1/2 year period - making an imminent rapture unrealistic until such time as the Temple project is nearly or actually under construction.

But finally, in the early 1800's, at the hope of the formation of a Jewish nation, some Christians began to expect an imminent return of the Lord prior to the time of  tribulation.  This may sound strange, but up until that point in time, the Church strongly rejected the idea that Jesus would return before the tribulation.  Consider the following quote from John Calvin's Commentary of the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians.

"On the other hand, those false prophets whom Paul expenses, while they ought to have kept men's minds in suspense, bid them feel assured of his speedy advent, that they might not be wearied out with the irksomeness of delay. "Let no man deceive you." That they may not groundlessly promise themselves the arrival in so short a time of the joyful day of redemption, he presents to them a melancholy prediction as to the future scattering of the Church. This discourse entirely corresponds with that which Christ held in the presence of his disciples, when they had asked him respecting the end of the world. For he exhorts them to prepare themselves for enduring hard conflicts, (Matt. 24:6) and after he has discoursed of the most grievous and previously unheard of calamities, by which the earth was to be reduced almost to a desert, he adds, that the "end is not yet", but that "these things are the beginnings of sorrows". In the same way, Paul declares that believers must exercise warfare for a long period, before gaining a triumph."

Few references occur in the writings of the Church Fathers to a pre-tribulation rapture.  In fact, the idea was always quickly dropped.  And a pre-tribulation rapture never became a source of debate among church leaders, never surfaced in any of the great councils, nor did it make its way into any creed or statement of faith - prior to the late 20th century.  The reason why these infrequent references to a pre-trib rapture were often quickly contradicted by the Fathers themselves is that the imminence of the tribulation was recognized as an essential element of the Second Coming. 

The birth pangs of the tribulation that the world is beginning to witness will quickly accelerate from occasional groanings into full-fledged contractions.  These trials should drive more and more people to research the Bible's end-time prophecies.  The last few decades have spawned increasing numbers of end-time prophecy websites, books, and movies.  Indeed, the internet has changed, forever, the common person’s access to knowledge.

In previous generations, people were trapped in a fairly small learning environment, and primarily within their own generation, unless they had access to an extensive library.  The situation is different today.  As people do their research on the internet, they are finding out what people believed 100 years ago, in just a few seconds.  They’re finding out what people believed 1,000 years ago.  And they are able to compare and digest this information in an attempt to make sense of it all.  In fact, the reader would be wise to research the information presented in this book as well.

"Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." - Proverbs 18:17 (TLB) ] - end excerpt.
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Monday, May 9, 2016

The Church of Philadelphia - Left Behind to Persevere

What About Rev. 3:10? (Church of Philadelphia)

Excerpt from "Why Most Christians Believe in a Post-Tribulation Rapture" by C.W. Steinle

[Revelation 3:7-13 is Jesus’ letter to the Church at Philadelphia.  The pre-trib teachers claim that God is promising, in these verses, to take the Church out of the world just before the Great Tribulation.  The verse of particular interest is Verse Ten.

“Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.”-Revelation 3:10

The argument made by modern Futurists is that“kept from” actually means “taken out of.”  The underlying assumption made by pre-tribbers is that the Philadelphians, or a similar type of church, will be "taken out" of the world before the “hour of trial.”  The best way to test this theory is to examine the original Greek words; and then to ask the question, "Has St. John ever used these same Greek words meaning, "to take" and "to keep," in his other writings?"

Ares (should take).  This is the root word "to take" or "to lift."  (If reading the digital version click on the words to go directly to Strong’s for examples of usage).

Tereso (will keep).  This is the future tense of “to keep.” Tereso is the word John has used in the verse above.  In fact, he has used it twice in this one verse.  This word implies, the maintenance of, safety, or care.  The changes in prefixes and suffixes below only indicate tense and usage in the Greek.  Now look again at Revelation 3:10.

“Because you have kept (eteresa) My command to persevere, I also will keep (tereso) you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.”
You see that John is using the same root word in both instances.  The epsilon prefix on the first mention of "kept" merely puts it in the past tense, indicating that the Philadelphia Church had already kept His command to persevere.  What kind of Bible scholar would interpret the same word to mean two different things when it is used within the same verse?  Should the verse be interpreted, “Because you have "taken out" My command?”  Of course not!  Keep means "keep," and it does not mean "taken out."

Understanding what the text says (and does not say) should be enough to put this argument to rest.  But now let’s look at how John has used these words, "kept" and "taken," in his gospel.  In the seventeenth chapter of John, we find Jesus’ prayer to the Father.  Here John used this word for safekeeping - profoundly contrasting the idea of being "lifted out of trouble" with the promise of being "kept safe through trials."
“I do not pray that You should take (ares) them out of the world, but that You should keep (terese) them from the evil one.”- John 17:15 (Emphasis added).  John could have used these same two words with their two different meanings in Revelation 3:10, IF, he had desired to contradict Jesus' prayer for His Church, stated here in John 17.  But John did not mean to contradict Jesus.


Now in the same way, Jesus speaks to the Church of Philadelphia.  He promises to keep (persevere) them in the midst of their trial, just as they had kept His command to persevere.  Jesus is merely reciprocating their obedience "to keep" His command to persevere, with the promise of keeping the Philadelphia Church  in return.  He is not submitting the dissimilar promise of "taking them out" of harm’s way.  This is a simple apples-to-apples reward for the Philadelphians' own perseverance.

And again, in John Chapter 17, “keeping” the Apostles from the evil one did not mean "taking them out" of the world, but keeping them from being overcome by the evil one - that they would be kept safe from the evil one - even though they would still remain in the world to accomplish Christ's purpose. (The purpose for which he was sending them into the world in the first place.)  Christ was sent into the world, and was not taken out of the world until He had accomplished his death and resurrection.  Why would God remove His Church from the world (into which it was likewise sent) until such time as it had also accomplished its purpose?  Didn't Jesus clearly state that His followers (servants) would not be treated better than their Master?

Does the Philadelphian Church Typify the Last Days?

If further proof of Revelation 3:10’s failure to support the pre-tribulation theory is needed, we only have to consider the order in which these “types” of churches appear in Revelation; and how they are expected to emerge over history (by those who choose to extrapolate the seven church-types into the future).  The Laodicean Church is the type expected to exist at the end of the age, not the Philadelphian type.  If the Philadelphians were intended to be the recipients of “take out,” they should at least be home when the doorbell rings.

Why didn’t Jesus give the Laodicean Church an opportunity to escape the hour of trial, if they were the type of church that would exist in the last days?  So, once again, trying to force Revelation 3:10 to point to a pre-tribulation rapture is a miserable failure on all accounts.] - end excerpt.
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Sunday, May 8, 2016

Guess Who's Coming with Jesus

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The Pre-tribulation Rapture doctrine teaches that "the Church" must already be in heaven (by way of the pre-trib rapture) prior to the Second Coming, so that they can return to the earth with Jesus.  The Book of Jude is usually quoted because many English translations say that the Lord will come with His saints.

“Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints (hagiais myriasin), to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”” - Jude 14,15

The word translated above for “saints” is the Greek word, hagias, which can be translated either as “holy ones,” or "saints."  But "holy ones" can also refer to the holy angels.  So how can we know whether the Church, or an army of angels, will accompany Jesus to earth?

Matthew 25:31 gives us clarification about the holy ones who are coming with Jesus. Christ Himself stated that these "holy ones" are holy angels.

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels (hagiais oi aggelloi) with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.”

Verse 32 also places this Second Coming ahead of the same time of judgment described in Jude 15.
“All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.” - Matthew 25:32

So Matthew’s description of Christ’s return identifies these "holy ones" as the holy angels.  The holy angels will be returning with Jesus - not holy people.

But even if some people should be included with the army of angels that are coming with Jesus, these could be any of the millions of Christians who have died over the ages before Christ’s return; because, “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.”  

The Church has had nearly 2000 years to add souls to the spiritual realm.  Based on a 70 year generation, 97% of all the "saints" who have lived up until now are already residing in heaven with Jesus.    Therefore, there is no requirement that any of the people, who might possibly be coming with Jesus and the angels, should have ever experienced the rapture.  The rapture is simply not necessary to get more Christians into heaven in advance of His second coming.

Paul's Epistles to the Thessalonians contain the verses most often quoted as the basis for the theory of a pre-tribulation rapture.   Amazingly though, the Thessalonians letters not only place the 1st Thessalonians Four rapture at Christ's second coming; but 2nd Thessalonians prepares the Church for persecutions and tribulations, and goes on to state expressly that "mighty angels", rather than saints, will be accompanying Christ back to earth.

“We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels (angelon dynameos), in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.  These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.” - 2nd Thessalonians 1:3-10 - end excerpt.
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Saturday, May 7, 2016

Does Pre-Trib Call for a 2nd Holocaust?

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"Must Jewish "Elect" Endure God's Wrath?"

I’m pretty sure that I’m part Jewish.  I have a little bit of that complexion, nose and some names on the maternal side of my family that would cause me to believe that I am part Jewish.  I love the land of Israel.  I am very pro-Israel.  I have visited, toured, and taught there.  I’ve been all over the land of Israel, from Mt. Hermon down to the Wilderness of Zin, and all points in between.  I just absolutely love the place and its people.

People who teach the pre-tribulation rapture theory use John Nelson Darby’s “Dispensationalism” to divide the Bible into verses that deal with the Jews, and verses that deal with the church.  They would say that you are not really honoring the Jews unless you give them some time at the end, after the church is gone, for God to fulfill His promises to them.

First of all, Paul says, “There is no longer Jew or Greek.”  IS THAT TRUE?  Paul writes in Ephesians Chapter Two that they have both been reconciled through the cross; and that God has taken the Christians and the Jews and made “one new man” out of the two.  Paul also says, “Not all who call themselves Israel are really Israel, but there is a remnant of Jews who are elected by grace that are the true Israel of God.”

Romans 11:7 says that, “Israel has not obtained what it seeks, but the elect have obtained it.”  So the Jews who believe in Jesus have become part of the church; and the Gentiles who believe in Jesus have been grafted in, and have become part of true Israel.  Believing Jews and Gentiles have become one new man.  I would say, “What God has joined together, let not man separate."  When you try to separate what God has joined together, you are going to end up with a big mess.

Let’s discuss the pre-tribulation rapture plan for the Jews.  What is the special time that they say God has reserved for the Jews?  It’s the most horrendous time that has ever come upon the planet; the seven years that the pre-tribbers expect to be spared from - because God would not allow His Church to go through it.

Here’s how the pre-tribulation rapture proponents see God’s blessing to Israel.  After serving as slaves in Egypt, being taken captive by Assyrians, slaughtered by the Greeks, oppressed and driven out by the Romans, suffering persecution all over the world, having gone through Hitler’s holocaust, and even now, having to fight for their tiny piece of promised land; after all this, that God is going to "bless" them in the end, by subjecting them to the most horrific seven years in the history of the world.  That’s how God is going to bless His people???  What a slap in the face!  Is this the time of blessing that God has reserved for His special people?

THEN, after this terrible time, (that God wouldn’t let the church touch with a ten-foot pole), the Church comes back for a thousand years of earthly bliss.

Well.  HOW ABOUT if the thousand year millennium turns out to be the time that God fulfills His promises to the Jews?  Wouldn’t that make a whole lot more sense than giving them seven years of hell on earth as their big blessing?

When the dispensationalists separate the Jewish people from the Church, the Jews, like usual, end up with the short end of the stick.  One of the verses the pre-tribbers use is from Romans Chapter Eleven.  It says that when the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled, that Israel will be saved.  ISRAEL will be delivered!  Not the church!  THE JEWS! (all Israel - that is, if Bible scholars insist that the faithful Jews and the Gentiles haven't been made into one new man).  But the pre-tribbers teach that when the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled, THE CHURCH WILL BE SAVED! - that the Church will be delivered out of tribulation.  And that the poor Jews will get "left behind" to get beat up one more time.

If you’re going to try and break out those "so-called Jewish elect" and separate them, here’s a way that makes a hole lot more sense.  What if, the time of the Gentiles includes everything up until the Millennium; and then all Israel is saved?  Because going through the tribulation is not my idea of being saved.

How could it POSSIBLY honor the Jews to say that the Church would be rescued; while the Jews would go through the tribulation?  This type of thinking is nothing less than bigotry.  But they say, “If you’re not pre-trib, then you’re trying to keep God’s promises to the Jews from being fulfilled.” WHAT???  I believe in God’s promises.  And, that they will be fulfilled.  It’s the pre-tribbers dispensational matrix that I have a problem with.  So stop already with trying to do the Jews a favor by giving them the tribulation!  They don’t want it any more than the church does!

"Will Christians Experience God's Wrath?"

"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus." - Romans 8:1  Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?  Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?  As it is written:
"For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us." - Romans 8:35-37

Christians cannot come under God's wrath.  But they will be required to endure a time of slaughter - a season of tribulation on the earth.  If this were not possible, then even Christians who were saved during the time of tribulation would be under God's grace, and under God's wrath, AT THE SAME TIME.  Nor could any "elect" (supposedly the 144,00) occupy the earth during that time - for the same reason.  Furthermore, there would be no reason for  preaching of the eternal gospel during that time - for the same reason.

But the fact is - Christians "have passed from judgment into life" because of their obedience to the gospel.  And their salvation is spiritual, just as Christ's kingdom was, and is, not of this world.  (A pre-millennial earthly kingdom was aspired to by the Roman Catholics - an earthly dynasty that the Protestants rejected.)  This great salvation cannot be jeopardized by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Therefore the entire argument against the Church's existence upon the earth during the time of God's wrath is completely irrelevant; because over any and all earthly woes we are more than conquerors.  And if Christ is for us - He cannot, at the same time, be against us!

"Non-Replacement Theology"

Let us assume for a moment that God is right, just as He spoke through His servant, St. Paul.  If there is ONLY "one new man," who is True Israel, then Replacement Theology would be any theory that attempts to replace that new man exclusively with either, Gentile believers, or Jews.  What if all Israel, is in fact, all True Israel.  And, that the commencement of the time when the true remnant would be saved, began on the Day of Pentecost  - when St. Peter preached the prophecy of Joel to Jews gathered in Jerusalem.
And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.
For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,
As the Lord has said,
Among the remnant whom the Lord calls. - Joel 28-32

"On ALL flesh!"  "That WHOEVER calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved!" But the implications of this Non-replacement Theology are that many of the Church Fathers were correct, both Orthodox and Protestant.  Thus, ALL believers have experienced waves of persecution and tribulation.  And ALL believers will suffer through the time of great tribulation.  And ALL believers will experience the simultaneous resurrection/rapture at the Lord's return.  This is the Non-replacement doctrine of ALL ISRAEL.

The Church, both Gentile and Messianic, should be watching for the end-times signs by attempting to line up current events with the prophecies that have been given.  Sealing Revelation after Chapter 3 takes away all of the Revelation prophecies from the list of signs the Church should be reviewing.  Even though John was told not to seal it, and warned against taking away the words of this book - it got sealed anyway.  As God's true watchmen attempt to connect the dots of prophetic fulfillment, the Revelation dots have been removed (sealed up) by the Darbyites, and have been transplanted into a period of irrelevancy - a mystical age, forever aloof somewhere in the distant future. - end excerpt from "Why Most Christians Believe in a Post-Tribulation Rapture" by C.W. Steinle. 

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Friday, May 6, 2016

Who Is the Israel that Will Be Saved?

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WHO Is the Israel that Will Be Saved?

Is "Israel" all of the Jews who happen to be living in the State of Israel?  Is Israel all of the descendants of Abraham?  Obviously not, because many of the children of Ishmael are warring against Christians and Jews.  Is it all of the sons of Isaac?  No, because, "Jacob I have loved, and Esau I have hated."

So then, is "all Israel" all of the people genetically descended from Jacob?  Would they need to be 100% pure descendants?  What about the intermarriage during the times of Balak and Nehemiah; and what about Ruth, and Rahab?  Would someone with 49% Jewish blood be part of Israel?  What about 30%?, 10%?  How about 1%?  Now consider, that after four thousand years, perhaps everyone on the planet has some amount of Jewish blood.  Are we all "all Israel"?

And finally, what about all of the Jews, however they might be identified, who have died before the "time of the Gentiles" has been fulfilled?  Have they all perished, like in a game of musical chairs, merely because they lived at the wrong time?

But why were Ishmael and Esau rejected?  Because God made His election by His promise, and by our faith.  "All Israel" simply has no rational meaning at this time, if not the spiritual meaning that Paul himself has attached to it within his Letter to the Romans - that is - that "all Israel" is true Israel.  The Israel of promise and faith.  It is all faithful Israel, and all who have been grafted into faithful Israel.  Genetics and race have been set aside by the mystery of the inclusion of the Gentiles.  "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Ephesians Chapter Two states that Jews and Gentiles have been united in Christ, so as to "create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross."  "Through the cross."  There is no third covenant.  The way by genetics has been made obsolete by the way of faith in Christ, as Jesus Himself said to His Jewish disciples, "No one comes to the Father except by Me."

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Friday, April 29, 2016

Baptist Press reports Pre-Trib Rapture unraveling among American Christians

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End times, rapture & Antichrist focus of new study

by Bob Smietana, posted Tuesday, April 26, 2016 (2 days ago)

NASHVILLE (BP) -- Most Protestant pastors believe Jesus will return in the future. But few agree about the details of the apocalypse, a new study shows.

A third of America's Protestant pastors expect Christians to be raptured -- or taken up in the sky to meet Jesus -- as the end times begin. About half think a false messiah known as the Antichrist will appear sometime in the future. A surprising number think the Antichrist has already been here or isn't on his way at all.

Those are among the findings of a new telephone survey of 1,000 Protestant senior pastors and their views on end-times theology from Nashville-based LifeWay Research, sponsored by Charisma House Book Group.

End-times theology remains popular with churchgoers, says Scott McConnell, vice president of LifeWay Research. But it's not an easy topic to preach about.

"Most people want their pastor to preach about the Book of Revelation and the end of the world," he said. "But that's a complicated task. Pastors and the scholars they cite often disagree about how the end times will unfold."

No consensus about the rapture

Researchers found widely varying views about three aspects of end-times theology:

-- The timing of the rapture (see 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 and Matthew 24)

-- The nature of the Antichrist (found in 1 John and 2 John and other texts)

-- The millennial kingdom, when Jesus reigns for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-10)

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About a third (36 percent) of Protestant senior pastors believe in the kind of pre-tribulation rapture familiar to pop culture. In that scenario, Christians disappear at the start of the apocalypse. Those left behind suffer great trouble or tribulation.

One in 4 pastors say the rapture is not literal. Nearly 1 in 5 thinks the rapture happens after the tribulation (18 percent). A few believe the rapture already happened (1 percent) or that it will occur during the tribulation (4 percent) or before the wrath of God is poured out on the earth (4 percent). Others don't agree with any of these views (8 percent) or aren't sure what will happen (4 percent).

Mainline Protestant pastors (36 percent) are more likely to say the rapture isn't literal. Pastors who hold this view include about half of Lutherans (60 percent), Methodists (48 percent) and Presbyterian/Reformed pastors (49 percent). Few Baptist (6 percent) or Pentecostal pastors (less than 1 percent) hold that view.

Evangelicals overall (43 percent) are more likely to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture.

Education and age also play a role in how pastors view the rapture. Pastors with a master's degree (33 percent) or a doctorate (29 percent) are more likely to say the rapture isn't literal than those with no degree (6 percent) or a bachelor's (16 percent).

Sixty percent of pastors with no college degree believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. By contrast, 26 percent of pastors with a master's hold that view.

Pastors under 45 are least likely to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture (28 percent), compared to their older cohorts. They're also most likely (23 percent) to believe in a post-tribulation rapture.

Most expect the Antichrist, disagree on timing

LifeWay Research also found diverse views about the Antichrist.

About half (49 percent) say the Antichrist is a figure who will arise in the future. Others say there is no individual Antichrist (12 percent); that, he is a personification of evil (14 percent) or an institution (7 percent). Six percent say the Antichrist has already been here.

Baptists (75 percent) and Pentecostals (83 percent) are most likely to see a future Antichrist. Lutherans (29 percent), Methodists (28 percent) and Presbyterian/Reformed pastors (31 percent) are more likely to see the Antichrist as a personification of evil.

Education also played a role in how pastors see the Antichrist. Two-thirds of those with no college degree (68 percent) or a bachelor's (63 percent) believe in a future Antichrist figure. Fewer than half of those with a master's (39 percent) or a doctorate (49 percent) hold that view.

Premillennialism is commonplace

Pastors also disagree about the details of the millennial kingdom. About half (48 percent) believe in premillennialism, the view that the 1,000-year reign of Christ happens in the future. A third (31 percent) believe in amillennialism, the view that there's no 1,000-year reign -- instead Jesus already rules the hearts and minds of Christians.

One in 10 (11 percent) believe in postmillennialism -- the idea that the world will gradually become more Christian until Jesus returns.

Most pastors were split by denomination:

-- Baptists (75 percent) and Pentecostals (84 percent) are most likely to choose premillennialism.

-- Lutherans (71 percent) were most likely to choose amillennialism, followed by Presbyterian/Reformed pastors (52 percent) and Methodists (37 percent).

-- Methodists (27 percent) were more likely than other denominations to choose postmillennialism.

Education also played a role. Premillennialism is popular with those with no college (71 percent) or a bachelor's degree (63 percent).

Amillennialism is favored by those with a master's degree (41 percent). Billy Hallowell, author of the upcoming book "The Armageddon Code: One Journalist's Quest for End-Times Answers," said the research quantifies the prevalence of different end-times theories.

"I'm hoping the data opens a discussion about preachers' eschatological beliefs, why they hold those ideas, and how congregants and faith leaders can better understand the biblical texts," he said.

McConnell said it's not a bad thing that pastors disagree on the details of the apocalypse. Most agree on the main teachings about the second coming. The rest of the details, he noted, don't affect the day-to-day life of most Christians.

"The big picture of Revelation is clear -- Jesus returns, people must be ready, evil is defeated," he said. "With the rest of the details, there is room for disagreement."

Methodology: The phone survey of Protestant pastors was conducted Jan. 8-22, 2016. These questions were sponsored by Charisma House Book Group. The calling list was a random sample stratified by church size drawn from a list of all Protestant churches. Each interview was conducted with the senior pastor, minister or priest of the church called. Responses were weighted by region to more accurately reflect the population. The completed sample is 1,000 surveys. The sample provides 95 percent confidence that the sampling error does not exceed plus or minus 3.1 percent. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups. The full survey report is available at

LifeWay Research is a Nashville-based, evangelical research firm that specializes in surveys about faith in culture and matters that affect the church.